What is the real cause of the struggling economy, and why?

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IMO: The reason our economy has struggled the past couple of years is because of the terrorist attacks on NYC, corporate scandals, the fall of the dot comers, and the war in Iraq

What does everyone else think?

When you Libs, say President Bush, please give us a reason for that answer.

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The economy cycles just like everything else. Right now the economy is in a downtrend. Bush is in the White House during this current downtrend and he'll get the flack. Just like Clinton got the credit when times where good. Neither man should get the credit or the grief. Its all a matter of timing. Supply and demand rule everything, simple economic cycles. Whoever gets elected President next, will be sitting pretty as the natural occuring economic cycle will be turning up and the recovery will all be attributed to him. In reality the Presidents can only attempt to 'help' the economy through interest rate manipulation but the market forces are simply to big to have dink interest rate changes affect them. When the economy naturally starts to turn the President can say see my economic agenda did it. In reality its just a cylcle playing out its course. Economics is all theory and the hardest course I took in school.
 

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American economy has been struggling because of sin. Corporate greed, trying to give Israels land away, and immoral people.
 

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Guys, I can't believe there aren't more responses to this question. We all know the economy is struggling, doesn't anyone have a good idea of why?

KMAN
 

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9/11 has done much less to the economy than the Govt would lead you to believe.

I think the biggest reason far & large was the eurphoric state & then bust of the Dot Com market ...

certainly 9/11, corporate scandals, and a few wars have kicked the ecomony while it was down ... but none of them put it there.
 

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I hope we are not overlooking the Railbird theory of economics. I think he could be right about sin being the culprit. Lets assume the additional 2% rise in unemployment since July of 2000 is the fault of immoral sinners. Could happen. Unemployment in manufacturing all down substantially since July 2000, sin is a possible reason. Overall job-cutting and downsizing among US manufacturing corporations and retail establishments continued in July, wiping out tens of thousands more jobs and further belying claims of an economic recovery. It marked the 30th consecutive month in which manufacturing employment has fallen. Sinners all of them.
Some 470,000 people (sinners) stopped looking for work in July, dropping out of the total workforce figure used in calculating unemployment percentages. As a consequence, the official unemployment rate fell slightly, from 6.4 percent to 6.2 percent. However, manufacturing employment dropped 71,000 and retail employment fell by 14,000. Since January payroll employment has fallen by 486,000. The official unemployment figure is only a pale reflection of the actual situation, since it does not include some 2 million long-term unemployed—workers who have become discouraged and stopped looking for work altogether. Oh yeah, another item, the average workweek shrank to 36.6 hours from 36.7 in June. Manufacturing hours fell to 40.1 from 40.3. Less hours to work, more to sin. War possible reason economy may recover, I doubt it. The US economy grew at a 2.4 percent annual rate in the second quarter of 2003, mostly a result of military spending surrounding the Iraq invasion. In fact, the Bush administration has carried out the largest increase in military spending since the Korean War. However, the growth rate is still far below the level required to generate an overall increase in employment. Furthermore, military spending does nothing to increase the overall wealth of society and is helping to expand the massive US budget deficit, creating additional pressure for reductions in social services. Like Vetrans benefits, why worry about the Americans who fought wars that can't help a guy get elected. One more nice little item, not only are more people being laid off, they are taking longer to find new jobs. Median length of joblessness is 12.1 weeks, the highest point since July 1967. If you don't believe me check it out for yourself. As many large US firms announce further job cuts almost daily it is easy to see why the American economy is in trouble. Sin or no sin.


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liberal & wasteful spending by all
governing bodies city to federal
have us in this gloom & doom
look calif. govmt. dont wont to look at
how we cut programs that shouldnt. be there in 1st place . its always let us
throw more money to fix.
can we turn it around i think maybe not.
but not giving up yet.
 

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What I want to know is how deep they plan on digging.

What does everyone thing of the $1 Billion it costs per WEEK to have the US troops in Iraq?
 

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Falco, good points but I think you underestimate the power of the executive to moderate or prolong a cycle.

And yes Gringo, eventually somebody will have to pay for those troops being over there. Probable cuts to daycare, health and education in the works.
 

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All of you make great points. I agree that Government spending is a huge issue. They have to do a better job of watching what they spend. I guarantee you that if they ran their own checking accounts the way they run the government they would be broke.

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You guys pay little to no taxes compared to other countries that are actually safe, clean and nice to live in. You pay nothing you got nothing. What's there to figure out?
 

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We're no longer called Sonic Death Monkey. We're on the verge of becoming Kathleen Turner Overdrive, but just for tonight, we are Barry Jive and his Uptown Five.

Thats American dude.
 
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politics. Our whole system is ****ed because the corporations control our government. They care more about their profits than America. Downsize, downsize, downsize, gouge, gouge, gouge, monopolize, monopolize, monopolize. Not necessarily in that order. The economy really isn't that bad, the only difference is the rich are getting paid a lot more now and everyone else is getting the shaft.
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believe it, you're getting f*cked.
 

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Grantt - So you say that the government should increase taxes?

I understand how that will make the government richer but how will that help the citizens of the US?

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KMAN
 

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KMan,
I'd assume Grantt is leaning towards using the money to actually help people with social(ist)
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type programs such as National Health, Higher Educataion standard, perhaps even free secondard Education??

This is of course the mindset that we should invest in humanity instead of bombing it.
 

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What a surprise Lander gets it and Kman is clueless. I guess Kman you think investing more in the military and bombing more defenseless third world countries will better the life for the average American.
 

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"liberal & wasteful spending by all
governing bodies city to federal
have us in this gloom & doom"

Please
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From your comment one would assume you're conserv so look to your own. Iraq is the most wasteful spending we've seen from the government in years.
 

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No, social security and medicare to wealthy elderly people are the largest wasteful spending, followed closely by welfare to people who refuse to work.
 

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